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High Court Hears Arguments in Biggest Abortion Case Since Roe

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发表于 2021-12-2 10:18:04 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 万得福 于 2021-12-2 10:20 编辑

High Court Hears Arguments in Biggest Abortion Case Since Roe. Here Are Key Takeaways.
Thomas Jipping / @TomJipping / Sarah Parshall Perry / @SarahPPerry / December 01, 2021

The Supreme Court heard arguments Wednesday in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, a case challenging the constitutionality of Mississippi’s Gestational Age Act. The law bans most abortions after 15 weeks’ gestation.

The time allotted for each side was extended so that newly appointed U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar could participate and include the Biden administration’s opposition to laws protecting unborn children.

Most of the time for arguments was spent on whether the court’s decisions in Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey should be overruled.

The validity of those precedents is on the line because the court in both decisions determined that any abortion ban prior to “viability” (when the unborn child can potentially live outside the womb) is unconstitutional. The Mississippi ban draws the line well before viability, generally understood to be at about 24 weeks.

A paper we published recently described three possible outcomes: The court upholds Mississippi’s abortion ban by overruling Roe and Casey; the justices reach the same result by narrowing or modifying—rather than overruling—those precedents; or the court strikes down the Mississippi ban by reaffirming Roe and Casey.

While predicting the final result based on oral arguments can be risky, both sides today poured cold water on the second option. They rejected as unworkable any “half measures” that would substitute something else for the Roe-Casey standard.

In other words, they argued, Roe and Casey must either stay or go.

The court has established a two-step process for determining whether a precedent should be overruled.

The first step is whether that precedent was wrongly decided. On that, Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart’s opening words were that Roe and Casey “haunt our country” and have no foundation in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution.

Significantly, neither Julie Rikelman, the attorney for the abortion clinic challenging the law, nor Prelogar made much of an attempt to defend either case on its merits.

The second question is whether a wrongly decided precedent should be overruled, and the court has identified several factors or criteria to help answer that question. Justice Stephen Breyer argued that the court should be “more unwilling” to overrule what he called “watershed” precedents, so that the public does not think the justices are simply responding to political pressure.

He might have been implicitly conceding that Roe and Casey could not survive application of the court’s traditional analysis. And, as Chief Justice John Roberts observed, Breyer’s position actually suggests that the more egregiously wrong a precedent is, the more the court should resist overruling it.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh explained that some of the court’s most significant decisions had themselves overruled precedents, citing an extensive list of decisions that included Miranda v. Arizona, Lawrence v. Texas, and Obergefell v. Hodges.

His citations also included Brown v. Board of Education, which effectively overruled the “separate but equal” principle established in Plessy v. Ferguson.

If the court had simply refused to reconsider its precedents, Kavanaugh said, “this country would be a much different place.” He added that “if we think that the prior precedents are seriously wrong … why then doesn’t the history of this court’s practice with respect to those cases tell us that the right answer is actually a return to the position of neutrality … and not stick with those precedents in the same way all the other cases didn’t?”

Several justices asked whether legal or other circumstances have changed since Casey, which was decided in 1992. Justice Amy Coney Barrett noted that states now have “safe haven” laws that allow mothers to relinquish newborn babies to hospitals or other designated safe havens without criminal prosecution within a few days of delivery instead of abandoning them.

Barrett suggested that, by separating pregnancy from parenthood, safe haven laws may diminish what the Supreme Court in Roe called the “detriment” facing women of carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term.

Barrett also asked whether upholding the Mississippi abortion ban would necessarily raise questions about the validity of other Supreme Court precedents.

Stewart responded that none of the precedents involving private or personal decisions involved “the purposeful termination of a human life.” In fact, even Roe v. Wade itself acknowledged that the presence of the unborn child makes abortion “inherently different” from other privacy rights.

In perhaps the most shocking line of questioning, Justice Sonia Sotomayor tried to argue that it is impossible to know if an unborn child’s reaction to physical stimuli shows that he or she feels pain. Sotomayor  claimed that with “about 40% of dead people who, if you touch their feet, the foot will recoil. There are spontaneous acts by dead-brain people. So, I don’t think that a response to, by a fetus, necessarily proves that there’s a sensation of pain or that there’s consciousness.”

She might have been unaware of the current research on the subject, which shows that unborn children may indeed feel pain at as early as 12 weeks.   

The most important question in this case concerns the proper setting for all of these questions, debates, issues, values, and arguments: Is it the legislature or the judiciary?

Unless the Constitution clearly says otherwise, the answer is clear. The American people and their elected representatives have authority to wrestle with these matters and decide on the answers.

When the Supreme Court takes them away from the people without authorization from the Constitution, the court undermines its own credibility and legitimacy.

Sotomayor asked a question about the current case that actually applies best to Roe and Casey: How can the Supreme Court “survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and its reading are just acts”?

The answer is, how can the high court survive without overruling Roe and Casey—decisions that divined a constitutional right to abortion very nearly out of thin air?

The court must correct its grave constitutional error and overrule Roe and Casey so that Americans can govern themselves on matters of abortion.
 楼主| 发表于 2021-12-2 10:23:29 | 显示全部楼层

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),[1] was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose to have an abortion without excessive government restriction. It struck down many U.S. federal and state abortion laws,[2][3] and prompted an ongoing national debate in the United States about whether and to what extent abortion should be legal, who should decide the legality of abortion, what methods the Supreme Court should use in constitutional adjudication, and what the role of religious and moral views in the political sphere should be. Roe v. Wade reshaped American politics, dividing much of the United States into abortion rights and anti-abortion movements, while activating grassroots movements on both sides.

The decision involved the case of Norma McCorvey—known in her lawsuit under the pseudonym "Jane Roe"—who in 1969 became pregnant with her third child. McCorvey wanted an abortion, but she lived in Texas, where abortion was illegal except when necessary to save the mother's life. She was referred to lawyers Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, who filed a lawsuit on her behalf in U.S. federal court against her local district attorney, Henry Wade, alleging that Texas's abortion laws were unconstitutional. A three-judge panel of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas heard the case and ruled in her favor. Texas then appealed this ruling directly to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. But it also ruled that this right is not absolute, and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life.[4][5] The Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the three trimesters of pregnancy: during the first trimester, governments could not prohibit abortions at all; during the second trimester, governments could require reasonable health regulations; during the third trimester, abortions could be prohibited entirely so long as the laws contained exceptions for cases when they were necessary to save the life or health of the mother.[5] The Court classified the right to choose to have an abortion as "fundamental", which required courts to evaluate challenged abortion laws under the "strict scrutiny" standard, the highest level of judicial review in the United States.[6]

Roe was criticized by some in the legal community,[7] and some have called the decision a form of judicial activism.[8] The Supreme Court revisited and modified Roe's legal rulings in its 1992 decision Planned Parenthood v. Casey.[9] In Casey, the Court reaffirmed Roe's holding that a woman's right to choose to have an abortion is constitutionally protected, but abandoned Roe's trimester framework in favor of a standard based on fetal viability and overruled Roe's requirement that government regulations on abortion be reviewed under the strict scrutiny standard.[4][10]
发表于 2021-12-2 17:22:44 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得要打胎就随便打了, 这些人要杀自己的小孩,要不是没能力,就是没爱心, 就勉强生了小孩 ,也不会或不能好好对待。 小孩心里扭曲 ,长大变成民主党的冲锋队, 就更不好了。
 楼主| 发表于 2021-12-2 18:31:57 | 显示全部楼层
Yesterday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, the most important abortion case in decades. Tomorrow, Friday, the justices will meet, vote, and decide who will write the opinions in this critical case. Our prayers are more important than ever through tomorrow. Please join IFA’s First Friday Prayer Call to pray for the justices as the convene about this case. As always, join at 12:15 pm ET at IFApray.org/live or call (667) 771-7910 2452#.

Here is an excerpt of an excellent analysis of the Oral Arguments from Life Site News.

. . . Leading the defense of HB 1510 is Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Grant Stewart, making the case that judicial precedent asserting a “right” to abortion is “egregiously wrong” with “no basis in text, structure, history, or tradition.” The state further argues that in addition to its legal bankruptcy, the legal regime Roe set into motion has “proven hopelessly unworkable.”

The justices’ questioning of Stewart, Center for Reproductive Rights attorney Julie Rikelman, and Biden administration Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar did not give away a majority of the justices’ intentions in the case, but most of the Republican-appointed jurists did appear at least somewhat skeptical of Roe’s justifications, with only Chief Justice John Roberts hinting at an inclination to preserve the precedent in some way.

Liberal justice Stephen Breyer raised eyebrows by claiming that “the country decided to resolve its differences by this Court laying down a decision in Roe,” when in fact Roe represented judges taking the issue out of the country’s hands. The ruling has been widely credited with intensifying the abortion debate. Breyer claimed that to reexamine such a “watershed” case would “subvert the court’s legitimacy.”

Left-wing Justice Sonia Sotomayor was the most aggressively pro-abortion in her questioning, at points falsely claiming the beginning of human life is primarily a “religious view” and dismissing the evidence for fetal pain as “fringe,” and questioning whether the Court could overcome the “stench” of an anti-Roe outcome supposedly making the Court seem “political,” to which Stewart responded that the best defense against such a perception would be to simply ensure that the ruling is grounded in the legal and factual merits.

Most tellingly, Sotomayor tacitly conceded that Roe is not rooted in the actual text of the Constitution (something conceded by many pro-abortion legal scholars) by questioning whether a reversal would jeopardize other precedents. “There’s so much that’s not in the Constitution,” she said.

Chief Justice John Roberts, who was appointed by former President George W. Bush, gave mixed signals that may indicate he is leaning toward upholding the Mississippi law without going all the way to overturning Roe. “If you think that the issue is one of choice … viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. If it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” he pressed Rikelman. . . .

Conservative Justice Samuel Alito delivered arguably the most aggressive challenging of Roe, arguing that the viability line “doesn’t make any sense” as a legal standard because it changes with medical advances, and pressing Prelogar on the notion that an egregiously wrong precedent cannot be overturned unless facts change or a “new argument” is made, getting her to acknowledge that Plessy v. Ferguson, the case which established “separate but equal” in racial segregation, should have been overturned at any point because it was factually wrong the moment it was decided.
发表于 2021-12-3 00:42:39 | 显示全部楼层
右派又要来镇压妇女自由了。
 楼主| 发表于 2021-12-6 15:10:24 | 显示全部楼层
kaleege 发表于 2021-12-3 00:42
右派又要来镇压妇女自由了。

這個老年癡呆又來賣帽子了。
发表于 2021-12-6 16:35:18 | 显示全部楼层
万得福 发表于 2021-12-6 15:10
這個老年癡呆又來賣帽子了。

说你自己吗?你不是整天给右派戴高帽,说啥小政府,说啥自由都不能被政府限制吗?右派政府热衷扩大立法,德州通过新法案限制堕胎权,你就来自打脸,打你自己这二皮脸。
发表于 2021-12-7 17:30:30 | 显示全部楼层
kaleege 发表于 2021-12-6 16:35
说你自己吗?你不是整天给右派戴高帽,说啥小政府,说啥自由都不能被政府限制吗?右派政府热衷扩大立法, ...

杀人不是自由
发表于 2021-12-7 18:58:54 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
ssgo2008 发表于 2021-12-7 17:30
杀人不是自由

右派还有脸说杀人不是自由,却一定要维护持枪杀人的自由。你去跟牛津中学那害得四死七伤那一家子右派gun nuts说说“杀人不是自由”
右派整天喧嚣一个受精卵是人,而活生生的学生的命却是“必要的牺牲”. 虚伪得不得了。
发表于 2021-12-7 19:28:46 | 显示全部楼层
kaleege 发表于 2021-12-7 18:58
右派还有脸说杀人不是自由,却一定要维护持枪杀人的自由。你去跟牛津中学那害得四死七伤那一家子右派gun  ...

用车杀人也是一样的,把手都砍了杀人肯定会大大减少, 干嘛不砍手?
发表于 2021-12-7 23:00:16 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 kaleege 于 2021-12-8 15:49 编辑
ssgo2008 发表于 2021-12-7 19:28
用车杀人也是一样的,把手都砍了杀人肯定会大大减少, 干嘛不砍手?

现实就是全世界也没有美国这么多校园杀人案,今年一年已经有了30起。你到全世界任何一个国家去看看有没有一年30起校园撞车案,一年校园撞死伤63人?你们右派到处给杀人大开方便之门,就别在那里掉鳄鱼眼泪假惺惺地说什么pro-life。你们个个都是手上沾血的刽子手。杀手之所以成为杀手,就是他的右臂gun nuts父母鼓励他买弹药不要被人抓到,牛津中学校园枪击案不是没预警没征兆,而是有充分的预警,出事前一天老师已经发现杀手在桌子上画杀人,当天已经警告他父母来学校带他回家,父母拒绝作为,不当回事,不带他回家,最终导致杀人惨剧。杀人崽子就是你们这些pro-gun的右臂这样培养出来的。
美国70%的校园枪击案是用杀手父母合法买的枪!


https://www.edweek.org/leadershi ... y-and-where/2021/03




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本帖最后由 ssgo2008 于 2021-12-8 21:59 编辑
kaleege 发表于 2021-12-7 23:00
现实就是全世界也没有美国这么多校园杀人案,今年一年已经有了30起。你到全世界任何一个国家去看看有没有 ...

你们左X一直支持罪犯, 名贵这几年多搞死好上万, 支持吸毒每年多搞死几万。 加上消减警察, 就是想剥夺人民自卫权力,用罪犯控制社会。好人没了枪,你们罪犯党最高兴。
发表于 2021-12-8 20:44:47 | 显示全部楼层
ssgo2008 发表于 2021-12-8 17:47
你们左X一直支持罪犯, 名贵这几年多搞死好上万, 支持吸毒每搞死几万。 加上消减警察, 就是想剥夺人民 ...

你大嘴一张搞死一亿,行了吧?除了大嘴一张你还会啥?真可怜,整个头脑都是建立在虚幻臆想里面。
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kaleege 发表于 2021-12-8 20:44
你大嘴一张搞死一亿,行了吧?除了大嘴一张你还会啥?真可怜,整个头脑都是建立在虚幻臆想里面。 ...

你看看每年吸毒死多少, 犯罪增加死多少,犯罪党明不虚传。
发表于 2021-12-8 23:34:32 | 显示全部楼层
ssgo2008 发表于 2021-12-8 22:19
你看看每年吸毒死多少, 犯罪增加死多少,犯罪党明不虚传。

1、犯罪增加了多少?你来说说?你大嘴一张说增加就增加?你要不要打一下自己的脸?
https://www.statista.com/statist ... the-usa-since-1990/

2、犯罪增加都是民主党的锅?你大嘴一张说是就是?我还说是共和党的锅呢?
08年到16年奥巴马治下犯罪率一直都在下降,反倒是16年到20年川普在位的时候不降反增。

3、吸毒的人毒瘾犯了是无论如何都是要吸,根本就不是意志能控制的。吸毒是民主党的锅?
民主党建立安全吸毒的地方恰恰是避免吸毒过量,乱用针头,减少了吸毒死亡。
你这种没有调研就大嘴一张。全靠自己主观臆测。这种脑子还是去喂猪吧,谈什么政治?
发表于 2021-12-9 00:11:46 | 显示全部楼层
我们说杀人,一年回到二十年前
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/27/p ... ort-2020/index.html
你们民主党力挺罪犯,还用所
民主党建立安全屋也就是个样子,哪有那么多人看管, 倒是大量提供吸毒,用具,场所 促进吸毒上瘾,毒品合法化。 吃人血馒头。
发表于 2021-12-10 14:33:20 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 kaleege 于 2021-12-10 14:36 编辑

打虎又来表演贴链接自打脸?脸上没人打觉得不爽,于是就自己扇自己几下解痒?
要不要我提醒你一下,2019-2020是谁在当总统?这个锅总统不背,你居然让在野党来背?什么叫欲加之罪何患无辞,你就是典型。
5% increase in violent crime between 2019 and 2020. Overall crimes reported by the FBI decreased by about 6% between 2019 and 2020.



什么叫做大嘴一张随口造谣毫无证据乱泼脏水,下面这句话就是典型:
民主党建立安全屋也就是个样子,哪有那么多人看管, 倒是大量提供吸毒,用具,场所 促进吸毒上瘾,毒品合法化。 吃人血馒头。
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